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From: michaelw8g@hotmail.com (Michael)
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Subject: If Youre New here
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:54:54 -0700 (PDT)
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Click the url below. Its an objective explanation of many key issues
here on ars. I am not a scientologist. I no longer associate my name
with critics. This is about as balanced a view as you will find on the
web regarding ARS.
Mike
The Truth about ARS
www.bernie.cncfamily.com
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From: ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT alias DOT net>
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Subject: The Traitor Michael F. Greenberg
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:05:38 -0500
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:17:46 -0800 (PST), michaelw8g@hotmail.com (Michael)
wrote:
>Traitors are an especially reviled breed.
>Generally steeped in bitterness over perceived malignment they make a
>poor example for the inherent goodness of man.
Terrorists who conspire to murder people and assassinate government officials
are an especially reviled breed, but you describe them as personal friends and
heroes.
Hope the Feds talk to you soon about your association with crazed terrorists.
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Well, it turns out ultramichael was boasting about what big friends he was with
Irv Rubin, a madman arrested and imprisoned in a breaking news story this
morning for a terrorist plan to blow up a mosque and launch a terror attack on
an innocent Arab-American Congressman.
Here Ultra bin Michael describes the criminally charged Irv Rubin as a friend
and as a "hero." What did this "hero" plan on doing? His
"hero" engaged in a
conspiracy to blow up a mosque and murder innocent people, as well as to
assassinate a congressman.
Way to go, Mike, you sick fuck!
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From: ultramichael@webtv.net
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Subject: Re: Arnie & Willie
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Yes, "bunnyann" I might fall into the authority category after 30 years
studying the cult. I follow many hate groups etc.
Irv Rubin, the leader of the Jewish Defense League is a friend for
several years now.
Irv is a hero in every sense of the word.
Mike
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http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011213/us/jdl_arrests_14.html
By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent
LOS ANGELES (AP) - The chairman of the Jewish Defense League and a member of the
extremist organization are accused of a bombing scheme aimed at the office of an
Arab-American congressman and a prominent Los Angeles mosque.
JDL chairman Irv Rubin, 56, and Earl Krugel, 59, were held without bail
Wednesday after being charged with the failed bombing plot.
Authorities said the two men held a series of meetings in October to plan the
bombing of the King Fahd Mosque and the San Clemente office of freshman Rep.
Darrell Issa (news - bio - voting record), R-Calif.
During one secretly audiotaped meeting, Krugel allegedly said Arabs ``need a
wakeup call'' and the JDL needed to do something to one of their ``filthy''
mosques, according to an affidavit.
Investigators also say Rubin wanted to ``blow up an entire building'' but lacked
the technology.
They pair was arrested Tuesday night after explosive powder was delivered to
Krugel's home by a longtime JDL member who had turned federal informant, U.S.
Attorney John Gordon said. Other bomb components and weapons were seized at the
Los Angeles home.
``If you cross the line from lawfully expressing your political or religious
belief to committing violent acts then you will likely end up facing federal
prosecution,'' Gordon said.
Rubin and Krugel were charged in a federal criminal complaint with conspiracy to
destroy a building by means of an explosive, which carries up to five years in
prison, and possession of a destructive device related to a crime of violence,
which carries a 30-year mandatory sentence.
U.S. Magistrate Judge Victor Kenton ordered both men held without bail and set a
preliminary hearing for Dec. 27.
The case was broken when an informant who claimed to have committed crimes for
the JDL, including planting a bomb at a mosque, contacted an FBI (news - web
sites) agent on Oct. 18, according to an affidavit. A day later, the informant
was instructed to place a bomb at the King Fahd Mosque.
The informant said JDL members had learned how to build a napalm bomb with
Styrofoam and gasoline.
It was not immediately clear when the alleged plot began. The suspects allegedly
considered other targets, including a bar and a tattoo parlor they believed were
owned by white supremacists.
Rubin's attorney, Peter Morris, said his client had nothing to do with the
explosives. ``It seems to us that, given the timing the government's action is
part of an overreaction to the Sept. 11 events,'' he said.
Rubin's wife, Shelley, said her husband and Krugel were innocent and authorities
were ``on a witch hunt against Jews to show that they're evenhanded toward
Muslims.''
Krugel's attorney, Charles L. Kreindler, said the materials seized from his
client's house were all legal, and suggested that this may be a case of
government entrapment.
``The government has been very proactive in this case. They may have sent
somebody in to set these guys up,'' he said. ``There's no evidence they have
ever been involved in any violent activities.''
Tajuddin Shuaib, director of the King Fahd Mosque, said he was astonished by the
alleged plot. No threats were received to the estimated 1,000 people who have
used the mosque to pray during the Ramadan season, he said.
``I can't understand why people would do such a thing. We are not against Jews.
We are not against anybody. We are like any church or synagogue or temple,''
Shuaib said.
Issa, 46, the grandson of Lebanese immigrants, serves on the House Committee on
International Relations and supports Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations. He
called the arrests ``shocking news.''
``All agree this was an unusual act by a small band'' of individuals, Issa said
in Washington. Flanked by several Jewish lawmakers, he said: ``Perhaps in
another country, we would be adversaries. We're not going to be divided by
ethnic backgrounds.''
Rubin, who has been chairman of the JDL since 1985, has made a career out of
confrontation, challenging white supremacists to fist fights and burning a
Confederate flag outside a courthouse. By his own count he has been arrested
more than 40 times. In 1980, he was tried and acquitted of soliciting the
murders of Nazis in the United States.
The JDL, whose symbol is a raised fist inside a Star of David, has the motto
``Never Again,'' referring to the World War II murder of 6 million Jews. It was
founded in 1968 by Meir Kahane to mount armed response to anti-Semitic acts in
New York City.
Kahane, who left the JDL in the 1980s, was shot to death in New York in 1990. El
Sayyid Nosair, 36, an Egyptian-born Muslim, was convicted in connection with the
shooting.
The JDL claims nearly 13,000 members nationwide, but experts say it may have
only a few dozen active members.
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On the Web:
Jewish Defense League: http://www.jdl.org/