Scientology PC Folder data used against a person Also called "Confessional Folders"
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:05:37 GMT, "Lawson" <lawson@accessone.com>
wrote:
>A $cientologist has extensive personal information collected in their PC
>folder(s). This information is not always used for "pastoral counseling"
>alone. Does anyone have information about the uses or abuses of this
>supposedly confidential information?
>
>
from http://www.lermanet2.com/82cwcommission/
See testimony of Sea Organization Captain Scott Mayer
http://www.lermanet2.com/82cwcommission/4-226-300.txt
Day 4 pages 226-300 Scott Mayer testimony
MR. MAYER: -- with the Bill Foster story. I mean, let's face it, I
helped a man who was wanted by the federal government get out of this
country, and I got him out real fast.
MRS. GARVEY: That's
MR. MAYER: I don't know if the statute of limitations is up or not.
I'm not here to defend mvself. I've done what I've done and you can
make do with whatever you want to of it. But I'm here because I know
of a lot of very, very decent people who've been jacked around by this
organization, their families disrupted, their lives -- I have not been
able to live--in one place for the last three years. I. had to
structure my whole occupation not around what I can do but around what
I am limited to doing in order to avoid my background with the Church
from being exposed to an employer. And that's commonplace. And I would
like to see people, like -- the stuff I've got is nothing. There are
people that I know of that have got things that would really curl your
hair, and they're afraid to step out.
..
'MR. MAYER: while I'm on the subject, I myself have used data in a
person's confessional folder against him, all right? One of the
missions that I did - it was a Flag originated Mission; Flag was not
in Clearwater at the time - there was a staff member there who had
been doing some stuff with some animals. And the woman that was
4-242
sent -- she was in the country illegally, by the way; she was sent
with me. We brought the guy into the office and just laid it out in
front of him and said, you know, "You either get on the stick or
you're going to be expelled, and that's your spiritual future." I've
done it myself.
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the new millenium
Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for the mind
http://www.lermanet2.com/grifters.htm - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
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Date: 12 Oct 2001 03:37:21 GMT
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Subject: Re: PC Folders
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>Only those who harm it, criticize it.
Perhaps you mean our criticism harms scn??
>Not really. It is only said to happen by those who leave it, because it
>serves
No -- it really happens. Perhaps the people discussing cases and abusing others
have evil purposes. But, don't deny that it goes on. It has gone on for years.
>It does not. There are no such promises made. The apostates are again
>making
>it up.
> And there are
>no such promises made to Scientologists in the first place. Are there?
NO -- not making it up. Way back in the '70s I was audited by Flag Missionaires
on Integrity Processing. Note the word PROCESSING!!! It was not a security
check (although was the tech that launched this). I was told IN SESSION that
everything was confidential AND at the completion of the AUDITING I was told I
was forgiven by the COS and LRH.
Not much later I heard things being discussed by non-technical and non-ethics
personnel that could have only come from my pc folders.
This was not the only time.
>ally what is taking place whatsoever. When the
>parishioner is in-ethics and not threatening to leave or do something
unethical,
>things are fine. When they are threatening to do something out-ethics,
>then it
>is a different story, they are no longer protected by the confidentiality
>agreements implied or imaginary or actual. It is as simple as that. The
>parishioner has decided to be a bad person, and that is how he is treated.
> The
>fraud is nonexistent unless you leave out this time track aspect, that the
>parishioner violated the agreements and is no longer eligible for those
>protections. It is immaterial whether or not the parishioner was warned
>what
>could happen if he did become ineligible for those protections by violating
>those initial agreements.
I was not out ethics, nor was I threatening to leave. I went on to hold many
high executive posts and to be fairly highly technically trained. In fact, the
stuff discussed really wasn't worth a hill of beans to Scn -- it was just a
breach of -- well everything. scientology had represented.
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From: "Fluffygirl" <amafluffygirl@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: PC Folders
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"Lawson" <lawson@accessone.com> wrote in message
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> A $cientologist
Use of dollar sign unfair. Individual Scientologists are, by and large,
people reaching for a dream.
You go on to discuss individual Scn'ists being abused by their church, which
does happen, at times.
So have some compassion and consistency.
>has extensive personal information collected in their PC
> folder(s). This information is not always used for "pastoral counseling"
> alone. Does anyone have information about the uses or abuses of this
> supposedly confidential information?
The church sometimes engages in the practice of culling pc folders for info
they can use against people.
They do this only when they consider that the person's an enemy.
Well, I'll clarify.
If a person is just making OSA feel a bit concerned, they will order Ethics
and PC folders to be sent to them and they'll review them.
When and if they actually try to use anything in them will be when and if
the person actually really enrages the church, where the church considers
that person to be an enemy.
Truly disgusting and unethical practice which breaks every promise made to
Scn'ists.
CofS members are not told upfront that if a time ever comes where they've
pissed someone at OSA off, that their folders will be culled or at least
reviewed.
Truly outrageous.
I myself am fortunate in that most of my pc folders were lost by the church
through their gross incompetence.
Claire
Two ex-scios in Sweden were critizising CoS. OSA turned over their PC
folders to the police.
Bid
My wife, Victoria, was being audited by Danielle Arreola. One day while
at Celebrity Center she overheard Danielle discussing information about
her case to others. It seems that Danielle simply couldn't resist talking
about Victoria's sex life to others.
That was the end of my wife's involvement with Scientology.
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
http://warrior.offlines.org